The Brad Weisman Show

Get Sh!t Done Coffee Founder - Frank Sell

Brad Weisman

Frank Sell shares his journey from manufacturing welder to successful entrepreneur, revealing how he transformed a simple idea into the "Get Shit Done" coffee brand. His story demonstrates that entrepreneurial success often comes from making decisive choices and persevering through challenges rather than waiting for perfect conditions.

• Started as a welder with employee number 5331, initially on track for a 30-year retirement program
• Purchased a $100 VHS tape to teach himself paintless dent repair after company changed retirement benefits
• Still runs his successful hail damage repair business as his main income source
• Created Baby Beard Club selling therapeutic beard oils, including a "Get Shit Done" variety
• Launched Get Shit Done Coffee after placing a sticker on coffee bean bag, generating immediate interest
Uses coffee as a vessel to share his story of perseverance and inspire others
• Integrates his personal philosophy into product messaging like "Make America Grind Again"
• Built his business by networking and finding talented people who make him "look smart"
• Believes in giving your best effort in everything - "there's no miles left when I'm done"
• Emphasizes that entrepreneurship requires making a decision and then making it right through hard work

Visit homeofthehustle.com/playbook to download Frank's free five-step process guide and get a discount on Get Shit Done Coffee.


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SPEAKER_02:

I what kind of caveat? I've got this one called Get Shit Done. Yeah, they're gonna be like, what the hell's that? And they're gonna wanna try it, and it also is gonna be something that sticks in their mind. From real estate market as a whole state, sometimes we'll affect the real life. We all learn in this. If you think about it, Wayne Dyer might not attract everybody and everything in between. The mission was really to help people just to reach their full potential.

SPEAKER_00:

The Brad Wiseman show. And now your host, Brad Wiseman.

SPEAKER_02:

Alright. Yes, this is gonna be a cool show. Do you drink coffee? I do. Every morning. Yes. Every morning. One cup or two, or do you drink all day? Uh all of it. It helps me kickstart my brain and my vowels. He did not say vowels. He said bowels. Just saying, right? Is that what you said? Yes. Okay. Just making sure. Could people be like, it kicks it, it starts its vowels? How does that work? So, no, we have a really good guest today, Hugo. Uh his name is Frank Sell. You're gonna be excited to meet him. He's got this brand of coffee called Get Shit Done that is really, really cool. And uh his whole story of how he got to where he is right now making coffee or or producing this coffee for uh you can get it in the beans, you can get it in the in the curry cup type thing. They also have this cold brew. We actually have you right here in front of us. But we're gonna we're gonna meet him right now. His name is Frank Sell, and he's gonna tell us a little bit about how he got started in this coffee business. Hey Frank, how you doing? Man, I'm doing great, Brad. Uh it's uh it's a blessing to be here. Well, I we're we're blessed to have you, actually. Yeah, we've been reading about you for quite some time. I know we tried a couple times, I think, before our schedules didn't meet up, uh, but you've been kind of doing the podcast uh tour. I've seen that too, which is good. And uh no, you know, I ordered your your coffee as soon as I we we knew you were coming on the show. I thought, you know, I always like to buy the product and check it out. And I have to tell you, it's a really good cup of coffee. It's a it's really good. And and my wife, I'm not a big cold brew guy, but um it, you know, my my wife tried it and my daughter, they put her on it on some ice and and they loved it. So you gotta you're starting off good with a good product, let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I appreciate that. That's I just know talented people. I I don't have any hand on that, but you know, I know I have talented friends.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. But it wasn't always coffee, and this is the part that I thought was kind of interesting. When I looked on your website and I see that the different steps that you took, the path is not the normal path to get to being an entrepreneur and making coffee or or having a brand this way. You don't make the actual beans and stuff, but you know, the actual branding that you have and get shit done, man. You can't that that that's a great name, great brand. But let's go backwards a little bit and talk about you know, you don't come from that type of upbringing. You your dad was a truck mechanic and you decide you were gonna do welding. So give me a little bit of the beginnings of your of your career, your life.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean, so like most of us that grew up back in the 1900s, you know, our parents told us to get an education or pick a trade because uh growing up, you know, back then our mindset was you get a job and you stick with it for 30, 40 years and get a pinch and retire. So, you know, by all standards, I was doing what I was raised to do. I knew a higher education, college was not a good investment for me. Uh, I hated sitting in school as it was because you know, I already knew everything. I was as smart as I need to be. Um, so did you have a beard then in fourth grade or fifth grade, or was the beard later? Well, it was it was uh it was in in deployment. Um it was still no, I didn't have a beard. I was a baby face until until I started growing a beard. Yeah, no, that's fine.

SPEAKER_02:

So go ahead. So yeah, so you're in height, so you you you decide you're not gonna go to college or whatever. So what happened then?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so I I looked at um you know, the school counselor, we looked at different ideas, and welding seemed like a good idea for me because you could always make decent money if you're good, you could always find a job. Uh, so I did that, and I became a welder, uh manufacturing welder. And the last job that I had, I started Valentine's Day 1994, employee 5331. Uh, I haven't had that job for over 20 years, but I remember that because I felt like a number. And I also remember I started when I was 18 years old. And what was important about that is this company at the time had a 30-year retirement program. So I was going to retire at 48 with a full pension, insurance benefits. Um, you know, my early 20s, I had four weeks paid vacation. I was you know, living the dream, yeah. Doing what I was told that I was was was the target, the goal. Um, but I realized shortly after that uh the dream that I was sold was built on sand, the foundation. And what I mean is that the company got sold. And when a lot of times companies get sold, they want to change benefit packages to show increased profit or just move the peanut shell game, move stuff around to make it look good. So that meant that they they changed retirement to where you had to work until you're 55, no matter what. That would have been 37 years that I would have to be a welder. And I, you know, I was like, there's no healthy retired welders, you know, that there's there's they don't have the lifestyle that I want. And so at the end of the day, he's like, you know, I have a decision to make. I either have to be willing to accept what they're they're gonna give me or take sovereignty, take ownership of my future. And so I I knew some guys that fixed hell damage on cars. We live here in central Kansas, and that's kind of tornado alley, it storms every year. Um, and so I knew these guys that fixed hell damage. I knew they made six figures, multiple six figures a year, and my simple thought process um was just that, well, they're just working with their hands, and it's just metal. My hands are pretty smart. So my buddy, I asked my buddy about really, he asked me about training before I asked him. He asked me a few times to train to to become a paintless dent repair, is what the what they call a technician. Yeah um, but it just never worked out because I was I was living the dream, right? I was in my early 20s, making good money, had the benefits. Um, I didn't want to mess that up. I said, nah, not right now. And so after the company got sold, they changed the benefits, and you know, I kind of made that decision. I want to do something different. Um, they weren't willing to train because they had trained a couple guys that hadn't worked out. But the guy told me, he said, Well, there's just there's this video tape, you can you can find it here. I can't remember if he gave me a phone number or website, you know, it was that long ago. And I called the place, I bought a hundred dollar VHS tape. Oh my god, use tools to learn this trade. Oh take time two or three nights a week after work, and it it was really funny because I didn't have a setup at home. I would watch the video at home, and then I would go in town to my dad's truck repair shop and work on a scrap hood or something. Now I did this for months and months, and there was a there was a voluntary layoff coming up, and I had reached out to this guy and said, Hey, there's a volunteer's layoff coming up. I can come, I can come assist you and do the what what's called the RI process, which is remove and install all the parts to give them access to fix the hell damage. So that's kind of like the journeyman phase to get into the industry. And he said, Yeah, that'd be great. There's a big storm in Dallas in 2003. Um, my first child was on the way in 2003. Um, and so I volunteered for layoff, drive to Dallas, I get to Dallas, and old boys like, Well, sorry, but so-and-so's brother took the spot. You know, I can't really do much. So that was kind of the first lesson in business, also, is you know, not taking things personal, but taking them professional. And then I didn't I didn't understand this was part of the sales process, but I gave him the old okay, well, who do you know? Yeah, so leveraging your network to find you know the next sale. So he he referred me to a guy that he knew that I could go help them with the process of taking the cars apart, and during that, you know, build a relationship with them. And you know, I'm in my mid my late 20s, and I'm excited. Hey man, I bought this video tape, I've been training myself, I've been learning. You know, if you're okay, I I'll I'll fix some dense, you know, small stuff just for practice and to help you out. So I started doing that, and he looked at me and he's like, dude, why aren't you doing this full time? I said, Well, because my buddy told me I couldn't be any good because nobody trained me. He's like, Well, you're doing work that I was doing when I started. He's like, You need to be doing this. So I called my friend and I said, Hey, so-and-so, you know, your buddy, he said that uh I'm pretty good, I can do this, you know, as a career. And I'd like to come help you guys because you're my friend. And he just laughed at me. He said, Well, it'd be too much like training you. And so the next week I loaded my shit, drove home, and started my business. Like on the coffee, like the coffee can says, I beat the damn street so hard, I swear I get a bill for the potholes. That's great.

SPEAKER_02:

No, and you you know what's funny about that as I'm listening to your story, you you know, you didn't go to college, but as far as I'm concerned, from from the welder to that where that story ended there, that's a college education. Oh, yeah, you you learned so much in that period of time of because of getting turned down, um, you know, failure, um, you know, getting um, you know, different things like just the the VHS tape and looking at that. You you figured things out on your own, which is pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think people have a way of of simplicating things. That's a combination of making simple things complicated, yeah. Because I really think it's their ego trying to protect themselves um from looking silly or stupid. Um, but I was just blessed with a level of ignorance I didn't really care on Frank Cell. I I get that from my dad. So my dad's been self-employed since 1977, uh single man uh truck shop working on big trucks, semis. So I had that example, um, you know, just the perseverance and resiliency that it takes you know to take action and do it. Yeah, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_02:

So then so you go from that, and then you got out of the L, you got out, it was called Allied Dent Removal, I think is what you had you had called it or something like that. Is that the name of it?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and I'm still that's still my main income source. So you still do that?

SPEAKER_02:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay, see, this is what's interesting. When I'm reading your website and all this stuff, I'm thinking that you those things are done, and you you're you're not doing that anymore. No, you're still doing that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's uh it's a very lucrative business. You're working with insurance.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, aren't you guys is it dense like like when you have a hail storm, those kind of dense on a car? Uh-huh. And you guys get a lot of hail. Yeah, yeah. So that's a very lucrative business out there. Yeah, it just hailed um a week or so ago, a late late season storm. We get it like once every so often, and it's like this little stuff, you know. It it's oh yeah, that's funny. Yeah, because you guys get a lot of it from because when there's tornadoes, there's hail always. Almost always. Yeah, the majority. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So we have a storm that'll put me in the next year with repairs. Oh my gosh. That's incredible. It's hard to walk away from. I I have to sell a lot of coffee to do that recovery. Yeah. Uh-huh. I love it.

SPEAKER_02:

I'd love it. Well, maybe you'll get to that point. Who knows? You know, maybe we'll replace the uh the dents with coffee. How's that? You get that way.

SPEAKER_01:

So then I'd like to, but I just don't know that I could because I've worked with the people that I work with for 20 years. Yeah, I do a lot of subcontract stuff, so it'd be hard to watch.

SPEAKER_02:

That's awesome, man. It's really cool. So then you also then there's another thing. Then you this you start another company called Baby Beard Club. Or this it's this beard oil. Yeah. Is that still going?

SPEAKER_01:

No, it's it's what they call parked. The website is still there. Um, I parked it um because the shiny object syndrome, when you know, kind of when I found my pony, my racehorse, I jumped on it. Yeah. And that's what the coffee brand is. So the the beard club that came from I started Home of the Hustle Facebook page, kind of like just like what we're doing here. I would, I didn't know what I didn't know. I had been self-employed, but I didn't have enough cash flow, positive cash flow. I didn't have dividends, I didn't have recurring revenue coming in. Um, so at the end of the day, I knew that as I matured that I needed something to make money while I sleep. Um, you know, I could do real estate, I could do all kinds of different things. Um, but for the speed and the height of the ceiling for growth, I thought, man, doing a brand or doing something online is really the way to go. So I started the Facebook page, Home of the Hustle, where Facebook Live was really popular at the time. So Facebook would really push live videos in the algorithm. And I started Home of the Hustle on Facebook where I would interview people that do marketing and branding or websites, e-commerce. So basically, the questions that I had on how to grow an online brand and business, I would find somebody that knew them, interview them, and build up my network, and then also build up some influence or an audience that kind of looked to me for answers or ideas and so on. Uh, and never really had a way to monetize it right until one time um we made some homemade beard oil, and the first night that I used it, I slept really good.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01:

So I I asked what what happened, why did that happen? And I have a I have a habit of when I get an idea, I'll go to GoDaddy and look for a domain around the name. So I already owned babybeardclub.com, and in the marketing aspect, you know, you can have one bottle of product in 10 different ways to market it. Right. And what I noticed at the time is all about fake machismo manhood BS. You know, I got skinny pants and a flannel shirt, I'm a I'm a man, hear me roar, kind of stuff. I was like, that's that's about as phony as it gets, you know, whiskey barrel makes you manly, or tobacco, the flavor, the aromas. Yeah, and so what I realized is when I slept really good and I asked what happened that if it's a natural beard oil, it uses essential oils to create the aroma, but nobody is leveraging the therapeutic effect of essential oils. So all the beard oil was marketed and formulated around its therapeutic effect, and it had a nighttime beard oil. I'd have guys message me that when they hold their infant next to their beard, they calm down here.

SPEAKER_02:

So inside the oil was these ascent, it was oil was essential oils, which basically was there was stuff in there that was a calming, calming agent that worked through uh aroma. Yeah, it's like aroma.

SPEAKER_01:

Your beard is like a facial diffuser. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. And so I had a daytime one that was called Get Shit Done. It has that and different things to help wake you up and help you focus. Um, so that's where the get shit done part of the coffee comes from, is just that branding. So, what I realized through through the beard oil is we talked about the recurring revenues, the monthly recurring revenues, and so on, is that guys really only order beard oil three, six, three months, six months, twelve months. Um, you know, so it's not enough. Yeah, it's not it's not enough. Um and the audience, it was just really tough. It's a really, really tough market. Um, and I know coffee's a tough market too. Um, but it also allowed me to reach them in with my message. You know, I'd started um a page and website called Armed Up Man, and really it was my journey to you know to manhood, you know, when I met Christ. And what I what I really understood, you know, what a real man is, you know, um, you know, he's patient, he's kind, but he's also a tough mother, you know.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep, absolutely. That's really cool. You know what that is so interesting, the whole thing with the oils and and how this all thing is like kind of circling in here. You know what when you said about the coffee thing, what I found, and and I don't know if if this is happening and and I'm just seeing it happen or what, but I'm so I'm kind of sick of like the normal coffee, everyday coffee. And to me, this is like a boutique coffee, if you want to call it that. Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna call it a boutique coffee. And the reason being is because it almost gets kind of fun. Like, you know how craft beer started, you know, how it became like kind of fun to try a different beer. That's the way I'm kind of getting with the vibe of this coffee thing, is that you know, if somebody comes over to my house and they want a cup or my parents come or whatever, you can say, I got, I got what kind of coffee? Yeah, I've got this one called Get Shit Done. You know, they're gonna be like, what the hell's that? And they're gonna want to try it, and it also is gonna be something that sticks in their mind, you know, and it actually tastes good. That was the one thing I was waiting for when I tried the first cup of coffee in the morning. And I drink a cup every morning, I make my wife's coffee every morning too. And I and I'm smelling this. I'm like, smells good, you know. Then I drank it and I'm like, eh, tastes good, you know. So it's it's it's really cool that you have a product that uh that is that that is actually a good product, you know. It's not like it's just the brand, it's it's the brand and the product that's very good.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and that's kind of where it all started, you know. Me personally, I wouldn't sell something that I don't drink or wouldn't use myself, or I personally know that it's a it's a world-class product. Um, and I like I said earlier, that comes from just showing up, as I say, show up, find friends who do cool shit and get shit done. So I was at a net at a networking deal that happens every Wednesday across the country called Million Cups. And I met some guys that in Wichita, Wichita cans, this they had started a co-packing company where they contract can the canned coffee. So they had their own in-house brand, but then they also canned for other other like name brands that you would know. I can't I know, but I can't say that's okay. Yeah, so we just become buddies, you know. It was finding the cool friends part. Yeah, we met at this networking deal, and you know, I was buying coffee beans from them for my personal use. They were buying get shit done beard oil for the for themselves. And so one day I had a bag of their coffee beans laying on my desk, and I had just ordered some stickers that we give away with the with the beard oil orders that say get shit done. And I I literally I had a bag of their coffee. So if you're listening on the podcast on the on the YouTube or the video, yeah, you can see this. I put a get shit done sticker, and it didn't say coffee, it said baby beard club on it. And I I put that on a bag of coffee, posted on Facebook, and because I had this home of the hustle audience, everybody was like, dude, are you selling get shit done coffee? How do I buy it?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and it well, it make it it makes sense. The name is is a is aggressive. Coffee is typically aggressive, yeah. Kind of a and we all drink it.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, you know, we really do. Yeah, so I I instantly saw the connection between the hustle and the coffee. And I had like five bags laying there. I put stickers on them and sold on my friends. I called the guys in Wichita, I said, Can I private label your beans? And like, well, yeah, that's what we do. So I I bought a grinder and I started selling whole beans and grinds out of home. Oh my god. I asked them, so how do we make a canned coffee? Because that's their main business. So they gave me the kind of different options of how to get started with that. And September of 2020, we had our first pallet, which is about 3,000 cans of the coffee produced and sold it all in five weeks with no ads. Um, just because I've been hyping it up, you know, through social media that we're doing this, and people were getting behind our story that holy shit, he's doing this? How do you do that? You know, so it's just you just find a way.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's it's great. It really is good. I like it. And I like, you know, there's a lot, I love there's a lot of tag stuff in here. I like it's also very patriotic. You you have make make America grind again. You'll probably catch hit for that. Um that's another MAGA. Nobody wants to hear any other MAGAs, of course. Yeah, but uh I'm fine with it. Um, Make America Grind Again. And then the other thing here, it says um, I love this here. It says, Coffee can your your company continues to grow, promoting a message of perseverance, courage, and self-improvement. It's dedicated to supporting dreamers, doers, hustlers everywhere, advocating for uh for a mindset of facing fears and relentlessly pursuing one's goals. So there's like a whole attitude behind it or a whole positive message behind the brand.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and it's like we discussed uh me, I'm Frank Sell, I'm not selling coffee, I'm selling my story of doing it scared, and basically it's it's I'm selling permission and inspiration to get shit done and make America grind again. You know, back back in the day when we were just we were too damn busy, we were working hard, we were in a mining our own business, you know, didn't have all this riff-raff going on today. Yeah, because people were more focused on themselves and more focused on like a dream or a goal or their own family. Um, so I'm not selling coffee. Coffee is the commodity, but I'm selling that story that I bought a hundred dollar videotape. And so I've had people reach out to me that they have started their own brands, they have moved across the country to to start pursue, you know, their potential, pursue some idea. And they send me messages all the time, like, man, I thank you. I you know, I appreciate you, because uh every little step of the way, you know, we we were talking um, you know, about how do we even do this? So part of it was like it's kind of biblical, building your your house before you need it, really, before you start a family. And so I've been building this network of people that are really talented and know what they're doing that just make me look like I'm really smart. So I can lean on them. It's like you have like on your on your desk, you have the the box of the K cups, and I can show you right here. Um I simply bought a a gift box, yeah, put uh took the label off of one of the bags of coffee, drew some dimensions, put what I wanted to say on there, um, and then sent that to my VA in the Philippines, and she kind of designed it all up, and then next thing you know, we have you know a K cup brand and wrapped into all of the is messaging. It's like that's called the Extra Mile Espresso. Yeah, and you can see on the label it says the only problem with the extra mile is thinking that it's extra. And so my beliefs and my purpose are integrated into the products because I think the extra mile is just a marketing ploy. Me personally, I'm gonna give you my best, I'm gonna give you my all. There's no there's no miles left when I'm done. Yeah, you know, with my hell repair business or you know, with a personal relationship, whatever it is, why would I hold back just so I could sell you a little bit extra and make you feel good?

SPEAKER_02:

That's awesome, man. I I love I love the whole thing. I really do. And and the other thing was the mission for the company uh is to re reignite America's passion for hard work and perseverance through our story of entrepreneurship. Uh, we aim to show the resilience and hard working grind of, I love the grind part put in there, grind of American culture is making a comeback. Show up, build a community, and get shit done. Absolutely. I mean, it's just cool, man. I I you know, I think the the coffee is the vessel to get in the door to talk about what people can do if they put their mind to it.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, a hundred percent it is, and it's I don't even realize that I'm doing it as I'm doing it. Um, but I I guess I do have people, they reach out, they they just they really connect and resonate with how I tell the story, and I don't think anything about it or think much about it. I just kind of think and try to find the simplest way to get something done, or you know, because dad always said work smarter, work harder. And he also said, You don't make money when you sell something, you make money when you buy it.

SPEAKER_02:

Exactly right. It's about that's the same for real estate, too. They always tell you, you don't make money in real estate when you when you sell the house, you make it when you buy it. That's so true. So true. Your dad's a smart guy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he's he's a he's a man, he's a canful, he's he's super smart. Um, and he don't put up with no BS. It's funny.

SPEAKER_02:

So, what do you what do you say to anybody out there has an idea, an entrepreneur or somebody that's not even an entrepreneur yet, or whatever. They have an idea and they and they they're just not sure how to go about it, or they're they're uh they're scared or whatever, or you know, what what kind of advice would you give?

SPEAKER_01:

Um you know what I've kind of noticed, and especially like with this coffee, is most people like their egos want to complicate it and and want they think that they have to have a business plan, they have to have everything figured out, have all this stuff you know lined up before you even start. And really, what I've found, you just like my hail repair business, the hail damage, you make a decision and then you make the decision right. So whether it was a good decision or bad decision, whatever it is, you followed up with enough effort that it's the right decision at the end of the day because you worked your ass off to make sure of that. Um, so the other thing is that the only validation that you really need is somebody willing to hand you money for your product or idea and build from there. Yeah, that's good stuff. Good stuff.

SPEAKER_02:

Hugo, do you have any questions for me? Oh, inspiring. No, that's a cool story. Yeah, it's very inspiring, very good. You have a great story to tell. So, uh, how do we how do we get your we're gonna wrap it up here, but we wouldn't tell people how do we get the coffee? How do we find your story online?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so the best way is gonna be our website has our story and it has our social links on there. Um, and then we also I kind of made a little five-step process, uh download that's free. You guys can have that just a process to help me after after reflection and you know 23 years in business uh understand what I did to get where I'm at. So there's a little playbook that they can download. There's also a um a discount on the coffee, but it's home of the hustle.com forward slash playbook.

SPEAKER_02:

Awesome. That's great. We'll have to make sure we get that out there. I appreciate your time, Frank. It was a great conversation, very encouraging. Uh, I love the coffee. I will be buying more of it and we'll be spreading it out. I'm probably gonna keep this here on my desk for quite some time and talk about it. Help you out and get some more coffee sales. How's that? That sounds awesome. I love it. Awesome, man. All right, thanks so much. I appreciate it. My pleasure. All right, Frank Saddle, home of the hustle. This is Get Shit Done Coffee right here. Hugo, you gotta get some of this coffee. You're gonna love it. It's really good stuff. But yeah, so check it out, Get Shit Done Coffee. You can find it online, purchase it, and then also read the stories, read everything that you see on the website. There's just so much great content. Uh, you're gonna love it. But that's about it. We'll see you next Thursday, 7 p.m. Thanks for joining us.

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